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		<title>By: p a r t y t i m e &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Robotic Students: Pounding &#8220;The 3000 Most Common SAT Words&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>p a r t y t i m e &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Robotic Students: Pounding &#8220;The 3000 Most Common SAT Words&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a post I found very interesting, from Not So Distant Future. Basically, the National Association of State [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Barbara Bray</title>
		<link>http://futura.edublogs.org/2007/11/17/testing-carried-too-far/comment-page-1/#comment-1355</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara Bray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 2004, Edutopia published  http://www.edutopia.org/muddle-machine&quot;  that explained how textbook editors design curriculum. During this time, I was working with ESC Region 15 in San Angelo, TX and the 8th grade social studies teachers were concerned about how they teach to the TAKS (the test) and which TEKS (the standards) they needed to cover. What they found out is that the TEKS are spread out over 3 years so they don&#039;t have to teach all of the TEKS for the grade level each year. In working with the specialists from the ESC, we were hoping teachers would design PBL activities that encouraged students to use inquiry, do research, collaborate, etc. I can guarantee that today a few of these teachers are teaching to the test only. Innovation only happens behind closed doors today with a few teachers who are willing to take risks. Or at a school where the administrator encourages creativity. 

I worked with urban school districts in the San Francisco bay area where teachers learned PBL. Then NCLB and accountability issues. Open Court even had an accountability program who visited the schools each week to see if the teachers were on page 262 on Thursday and the bulletin boards had to reflect what was being taught and tested. Veteran teachers are leaving - frustrated. This is not what they signed up for. New teachers (and parents and administrators) in the school system for the last 5 years only know this type of teaching practice. I talked to some very educated parents from the Oakland hills who think this is the right way to teach their students. In some of these really poor schools (where we don&#039;t want to leave any kids behind) there are no more class sets of books unless the teachers purchase them. 

So now standardized tests in universities. I work with several universities. Let&#039;s be real. This is not going to work. That is unless you teach the faculty to all think alike. They don&#039;t. I&#039;m working with a several faculty at one university who are all teaching the same course. They worked together to design the curriculum. However, they have their own teaching styles: some use Web 2.0 tools, others are still stand and deliver lecturers. There are some that give multiple choice tests but most ask their students to do research, write a paper, create a presentation, etc. 

I am hoping this testing and accountability movement changes to encourage critical thinking, problem-solving, inquiry, and creativity, so we get back to real learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 2004, Edutopia published  <a href="http://www.edutopia.org/muddle-machine" rel="nofollow">http://www.edutopia.org/muddle-machine</a>&#8221;  that explained how textbook editors design curriculum. During this time, I was working with ESC Region 15 in San Angelo, TX and the 8th grade social studies teachers were concerned about how they teach to the TAKS (the test) and which TEKS (the standards) they needed to cover. What they found out is that the TEKS are spread out over 3 years so they don&#8217;t have to teach all of the TEKS for the grade level each year. In working with the specialists from the ESC, we were hoping teachers would design PBL activities that encouraged students to use inquiry, do research, collaborate, etc. I can guarantee that today a few of these teachers are teaching to the test only. Innovation only happens behind closed doors today with a few teachers who are willing to take risks. Or at a school where the administrator encourages creativity. </p>
<p>I worked with urban school districts in the San Francisco bay area where teachers learned PBL. Then NCLB and accountability issues. Open Court even had an accountability program who visited the schools each week to see if the teachers were on page 262 on Thursday and the bulletin boards had to reflect what was being taught and tested. Veteran teachers are leaving &#8211; frustrated. This is not what they signed up for. New teachers (and parents and administrators) in the school system for the last 5 years only know this type of teaching practice. I talked to some very educated parents from the Oakland hills who think this is the right way to teach their students. In some of these really poor schools (where we don&#8217;t want to leave any kids behind) there are no more class sets of books unless the teachers purchase them. </p>
<p>So now standardized tests in universities. I work with several universities. Let&#8217;s be real. This is not going to work. That is unless you teach the faculty to all think alike. They don&#8217;t. I&#8217;m working with a several faculty at one university who are all teaching the same course. They worked together to design the curriculum. However, they have their own teaching styles: some use Web 2.0 tools, others are still stand and deliver lecturers. There are some that give multiple choice tests but most ask their students to do research, write a paper, create a presentation, etc. </p>
<p>I am hoping this testing and accountability movement changes to encourage critical thinking, problem-solving, inquiry, and creativity, so we get back to real learning.</p>
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		<title>By: technotuesday</title>
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		<dc:creator>technotuesday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find this appalling too. Seems we make two babysteps forward towards progess and then two GIANT steps backwards. Lets just blame NCLB. The gov&#039;t just LOVES numbers, and a standardized  test will give them that. Creativity and original thought or problem-solving cannot be assessed. My oldest son selected his college based on the fact that they would IMMERSE him in his field major--video and animation, which is heavily reliant on creativity.  Now I need to find out if his school (DePaul U) will require this assessment. He despises these kinds of tests.  But he&#039;s much more in tune with his creative side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this appalling too. Seems we make two babysteps forward towards progess and then two GIANT steps backwards. Lets just blame NCLB. The gov&#8217;t just LOVES numbers, and a standardized  test will give them that. Creativity and original thought or problem-solving cannot be assessed. My oldest son selected his college based on the fact that they would IMMERSE him in his field major&#8211;video and animation, which is heavily reliant on creativity.  Now I need to find out if his school (DePaul U) will require this assessment. He despises these kinds of tests.  But he&#8217;s much more in tune with his creative side.</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn Foote</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolyn Foote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 00:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a weird coincidence, I just noticed that my random quote of the day is this:

Quote of the Day
You can never plan the future by the past.
Edmund Burke 

Ironic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a weird coincidence, I just noticed that my random quote of the day is this:</p>
<p>Quote of the Day<br />
You can never plan the future by the past.<br />
Edmund Burke </p>
<p>Ironic.</p>
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		<title>By: diane</title>
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		<dc:creator>diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 00:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, Carolyn - this is appalling. 

Our district does very well on NY State ELA (English Language Arts) tests in the lower elementary grades, not very well on the middle school assessments. Our students don&#039;t wake up &quot;dumber&quot; after a few years. The skills the test measures are not the skills they need to be successful. And as a scorer, I can tell you that the bar is set very low indeed on some of these tests: if a student writes a single word of intelligible English, even if that word makes no sense in the context of the question, a &quot;1&quot;, rather than a &quot;0&quot; must be awarded as the score (on a range of 0 - 4). The tests fail to adequately assess correct grammar and usage; critical thinking, collaboration, communication don&#039;t even enter into the equation.

Education seem to have conveniently forgotten the technology component of NCLB. We are testing the wrong skills with the wrong tools. Our standards are out of date and out of synch with the world as it is today. Will we ever get it straight?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Carolyn &#8211; this is appalling. </p>
<p>Our district does very well on NY State ELA (English Language Arts) tests in the lower elementary grades, not very well on the middle school assessments. Our students don&#8217;t wake up &#8220;dumber&#8221; after a few years. The skills the test measures are not the skills they need to be successful. And as a scorer, I can tell you that the bar is set very low indeed on some of these tests: if a student writes a single word of intelligible English, even if that word makes no sense in the context of the question, a &#8220;1&#8243;, rather than a &#8220;0&#8243; must be awarded as the score (on a range of 0 &#8211; 4). The tests fail to adequately assess correct grammar and usage; critical thinking, collaboration, communication don&#8217;t even enter into the equation.</p>
<p>Education seem to have conveniently forgotten the technology component of NCLB. We are testing the wrong skills with the wrong tools. Our standards are out of date and out of synch with the world as it is today. Will we ever get it straight?</p>
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		<title>By: edh</title>
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		<dc:creator>edh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 00:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AUGH!  I had heard about Spellings&#039; desire to implement higher ed testing but had no idea someone would actually DO it.  What I loathe about this concept is the use of the word &quot;accountability&quot; as if somehow nobody was accountable before!!!  And whose accountability are we talking about... the students, or the professors?  

The best anecdote I have is from my own life... three YEARS after I took a philosophy class, I found all the principles I learned there gelling with everything I was learning in my major.  All the thinking muscles I&#039;d developed in that class had finally become a habit of mind.  Immediately at the end of the class, I was frustrated and my brain ached and I hated everything - it was an opaque and confusing process.  But later on, it came together for me.  I continue to benefit from that professor and her class.  

How on EARTH will universities measure that sort of breakthrough?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AUGH!  I had heard about Spellings&#8217; desire to implement higher ed testing but had no idea someone would actually DO it.  What I loathe about this concept is the use of the word &#8220;accountability&#8221; as if somehow nobody was accountable before!!!  And whose accountability are we talking about&#8230; the students, or the professors?  </p>
<p>The best anecdote I have is from my own life&#8230; three YEARS after I took a philosophy class, I found all the principles I learned there gelling with everything I was learning in my major.  All the thinking muscles I&#8217;d developed in that class had finally become a habit of mind.  Immediately at the end of the class, I was frustrated and my brain ached and I hated everything &#8211; it was an opaque and confusing process.  But later on, it came together for me.  I continue to benefit from that professor and her class.  </p>
<p>How on EARTH will universities measure that sort of breakthrough?</p>
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