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		<title>By: mscofino</title>
		<link>http://futura.edublogs.org/2008/04/06/blogging-as-conversation/comment-page-1/#comment-1755</link>
		<dc:creator>mscofino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 01:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit, I&#039;m terrible at commenting. I usually find myself so busy that I barely have time to read through my RSS feeds or post something new on my own blog, let alone comment on others - even though I know how important it is. 

Of course, I&#039;m even worse at commenting on comments on my own blog, but I do think it&#039;s important. Although we all know the author of a blog most likely reads all the comments, by leaving a comment I&#039;m always hoping to start a conversation with the person that prompted my thinking (the author of the post). If the author never responds, it feels an awful lot like a one-sided conversation (guilty as charged).

I definitely think our students don&#039;t really understand the concept of blogging as conversation. I know they easily adapt to using new tools, but I&#039;m not sure they really understand the concept of a two-way conversation. At this point, I think my students (elementary) are just excited about being able to put their voice out there. They are so surprised to see that someone would even be reading what they write, that they don&#039;t even think about responding back. 

Also, the concept of responding on your own blog to a commenter is counter-intuitive to them - how are those commentors going to know there&#039;s something new for them to read? Unless they understand comment tracking and RSS, it seems a bit strange to leave comments for others on their own blog. 

This is all a lot easier to deal with when you&#039;re using a common space like a wiki or Ning discussion forum where everyone can see the threaded discussion, but it&#039;s just a little more confusing when it comes to blogging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit, I&#8217;m terrible at commenting. I usually find myself so busy that I barely have time to read through my RSS feeds or post something new on my own blog, let alone comment on others &#8211; even though I know how important it is. </p>
<p>Of course, I&#8217;m even worse at commenting on comments on my own blog, but I do think it&#8217;s important. Although we all know the author of a blog most likely reads all the comments, by leaving a comment I&#8217;m always hoping to start a conversation with the person that prompted my thinking (the author of the post). If the author never responds, it feels an awful lot like a one-sided conversation (guilty as charged).</p>
<p>I definitely think our students don&#8217;t really understand the concept of blogging as conversation. I know they easily adapt to using new tools, but I&#8217;m not sure they really understand the concept of a two-way conversation. At this point, I think my students (elementary) are just excited about being able to put their voice out there. They are so surprised to see that someone would even be reading what they write, that they don&#8217;t even think about responding back. </p>
<p>Also, the concept of responding on your own blog to a commenter is counter-intuitive to them &#8211; how are those commentors going to know there&#8217;s something new for them to read? Unless they understand comment tracking and RSS, it seems a bit strange to leave comments for others on their own blog. </p>
<p>This is all a lot easier to deal with when you&#8217;re using a common space like a wiki or Ning discussion forum where everyone can see the threaded discussion, but it&#8217;s just a little more confusing when it comes to blogging.</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn Foote</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolyn Foote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne and Carla,

I agree that it does take mindful practice.  Carla, thanks for sharing the idea of the Writing Matrix-- I found this link about your work (http://tesl-ej.org/ej44/a3.html)  and wondered if this is what you were referring to, using Technorati to track posts as a way of students building connections with each other&#039;s blogging?

While our project was more involved with discussions on a wiki, I could see where using tags with wikis could also provide them with excitement and energy as they see how their work &quot;connects&quot; outside the campus.

Karl, I&#039;m going to hunt for that option on edublogs--not sure they&#039;ve added it yet, but it&#039;s a useful feature.

Cathy--I think I&#039;m just sort of re-realizing the impact of me re-engaging in the conversation later.

Now I have to add the tech tools that will get others to return to the site :)

I also continue to be interested in specific ideas for working with students to become more reflective and interactive in their online discussions, whether they are on wikis are blogs.  What environmental things do we need to create in the classroom to help encourage that (or in the school to encourage staff to participate)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne and Carla,</p>
<p>I agree that it does take mindful practice.  Carla, thanks for sharing the idea of the Writing Matrix&#8211; I found this link about your work (<a href="http://tesl-ej.org/ej44/a3.html" rel="nofollow">http://tesl-ej.org/ej44/a3.html</a>)  and wondered if this is what you were referring to, using Technorati to track posts as a way of students building connections with each other&#8217;s blogging?</p>
<p>While our project was more involved with discussions on a wiki, I could see where using tags with wikis could also provide them with excitement and energy as they see how their work &#8220;connects&#8221; outside the campus.</p>
<p>Karl, I&#8217;m going to hunt for that option on edublogs&#8211;not sure they&#8217;ve added it yet, but it&#8217;s a useful feature.</p>
<p>Cathy&#8211;I think I&#8217;m just sort of re-realizing the impact of me re-engaging in the conversation later.</p>
<p>Now I have to add the tech tools that will get others to return to the site <img src='http://futura.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I also continue to be interested in specific ideas for working with students to become more reflective and interactive in their online discussions, whether they are on wikis are blogs.  What environmental things do we need to create in the classroom to help encourage that (or in the school to encourage staff to participate)?</p>
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		<title>By: Carla Arena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carla Arena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 01:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blogging is a habit creation and the dialogues we try to establish simply don&#039;t happen. There needs to be persistence, people need to be comfortable. And we have to remember that we have people &quot;listening&quot; to us in our blogs, but sometimes don&#039;t have time or don&#039;t want to leave a comment, but they are there, our faithful readers. Maybe one thing you might consider to develop students conversations through blogging is finding easy strategies for them to keep track of what is being produced. I&#039;d definitely suggest that you take a look at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://tesl-ej.org/ej44/toc.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;writingmatrix&lt;/a&gt; concept in which only by having students tag their posts they can find what each other is writing on a certain topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blogging is a habit creation and the dialogues we try to establish simply don&#8217;t happen. There needs to be persistence, people need to be comfortable. And we have to remember that we have people &#8220;listening&#8221; to us in our blogs, but sometimes don&#8217;t have time or don&#8217;t want to leave a comment, but they are there, our faithful readers. Maybe one thing you might consider to develop students conversations through blogging is finding easy strategies for them to keep track of what is being produced. I&#8217;d definitely suggest that you take a look at the <a href="http://tesl-ej.org/ej44/toc.html" rel="nofollow">writingmatrix</a> concept in which only by having students tag their posts they can find what each other is writing on a certain topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are asking some really great questions about transforming blogging into a conversational experience.  My advice, limited as it is, is simply practice, reflect, practice, reflect, practice and reflect ( sounds a little like rinse and repeat directions).  This is how I have found the best conversations come about in my classes.  What I mean by using the word practice is that having your kids blogging often and then reacting the next day to what they are seeing on the blog. It always amazes me, but they seem to come up with ways to improve the quality of the conversation as well as the manner that they conduct the conversation with a little facilitation by me.  Showing them good examples of carrying on blogging conversations seems to help as well.  After all, most kids are visual and kinesthetic learners so if we can have them involved in what live blogging looks like, reflecting on what good blogging looks like, and finally, seeing what good blogging looks like, well then, we are creating the best conversations!  If that doesn&#039;t work, rinse and repeat!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are asking some really great questions about transforming blogging into a conversational experience.  My advice, limited as it is, is simply practice, reflect, practice, reflect, practice and reflect ( sounds a little like rinse and repeat directions).  This is how I have found the best conversations come about in my classes.  What I mean by using the word practice is that having your kids blogging often and then reacting the next day to what they are seeing on the blog. It always amazes me, but they seem to come up with ways to improve the quality of the conversation as well as the manner that they conduct the conversation with a little facilitation by me.  Showing them good examples of carrying on blogging conversations seems to help as well.  After all, most kids are visual and kinesthetic learners so if we can have them involved in what live blogging looks like, reflecting on what good blogging looks like, and finally, seeing what good blogging looks like, well then, we are creating the best conversations!  If that doesn&#8217;t work, rinse and repeat!</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 15:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes I have an opinion on a post but it is so long that I usually blog about my opinion and link back to the original post. I can tell by the number of visitors that people are coming to my posts but not a lot of people comment on them even if I ask their opinion. Maybe they are doing what I&#039;m doing. I am trying to start a wiki with people on my adhoc committee about looking at potential tech tools for our organization. I hope I can get them to participate in the conversation there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes I have an opinion on a post but it is so long that I usually blog about my opinion and link back to the original post. I can tell by the number of visitors that people are coming to my posts but not a lot of people comment on them even if I ask their opinion. Maybe they are doing what I&#8217;m doing. I am trying to start a wiki with people on my adhoc committee about looking at potential tech tools for our organization. I hope I can get them to participate in the conversation there.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Fisch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl Fisch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 02:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, commenting on my own blog is a tricky thing. Part of me feels like I&#039;ve had my initial say in the post, so I try to let the conversation play out a little bit in the comments before I jump in. I worry that if I reply too often, then it runs the risk of me controlling the conversation.

This is particularly true for my blog, since it was initially setup as a place to continue the conversations in my staff development efforts. I wanted the teachers in my staff development - as well as others that might drop by - to be able to drive the conversation somewhat, so I tried only to reply when asked a direct question (or when I just couldn&#039;t stand it). Ironically, because my blog started reaching a wider audience, my own teachers started commenting less, thereby nullifying part of the original purpose of the blog (unintended consequences at its best).

The other issue, of course, is how often folks who comment check back. Blogger recently added the option where a commenter can get emailed every time someone comments on the post (if they choose, it&#039;s a checkbox) and I think that has the potential to help the conversation part a lot. If Edublogs has that, you might consider turning that on. (I think that may have also contributed to the increase in comments on Will&#039;s blog lately - I&#039;m not sure how long he&#039;s had that option but I don&#039;t remember it being there originally).

As far as students are concerned, I think we definitely need to talk with them repeatedly about how to be a full and active participant in their network, even if their network is small and perhaps contained to a class set of blogs/wikis. This is a new skill for all of us, and an important one, and I think too often teachers and students don&#039;t see the value in it until that &quot;participatory conversation&quot; piece kicks in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, commenting on my own blog is a tricky thing. Part of me feels like I&#8217;ve had my initial say in the post, so I try to let the conversation play out a little bit in the comments before I jump in. I worry that if I reply too often, then it runs the risk of me controlling the conversation.</p>
<p>This is particularly true for my blog, since it was initially setup as a place to continue the conversations in my staff development efforts. I wanted the teachers in my staff development &#8211; as well as others that might drop by &#8211; to be able to drive the conversation somewhat, so I tried only to reply when asked a direct question (or when I just couldn&#8217;t stand it). Ironically, because my blog started reaching a wider audience, my own teachers started commenting less, thereby nullifying part of the original purpose of the blog (unintended consequences at its best).</p>
<p>The other issue, of course, is how often folks who comment check back. Blogger recently added the option where a commenter can get emailed every time someone comments on the post (if they choose, it&#8217;s a checkbox) and I think that has the potential to help the conversation part a lot. If Edublogs has that, you might consider turning that on. (I think that may have also contributed to the increase in comments on Will&#8217;s blog lately &#8211; I&#8217;m not sure how long he&#8217;s had that option but I don&#8217;t remember it being there originally).</p>
<p>As far as students are concerned, I think we definitely need to talk with them repeatedly about how to be a full and active participant in their network, even if their network is small and perhaps contained to a class set of blogs/wikis. This is a new skill for all of us, and an important one, and I think too often teachers and students don&#8217;t see the value in it until that &#8220;participatory conversation&#8221; piece kicks in.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conversation is a two way street. I wonder how many educators use blogs and wikis just to say thay are using blogs a wikis, regardless of the success? I felt daily like I was a failure at blogging, at first because no one seem to comment on it, and then because I never saw any of my posts go viral (and for me that would be five or more comments.)  It was some time later that I had the realization that I needed to interact with my commenters to make a post go viral by my own definition.  Of course people like Will Richardson, Clay Burrrell, and Dan Myer put my definition of viral to shame, but I did notice that these bloggers, all three of varying experience level in both education and blogging, were apt to return to their own post and join in the comments, even sometimes directing their comments to a specific commenter  using the &quot;@&quot; symbol.  Blogging as a conversation tool is also a learned art--one that I think you are very good at too.  But I also think we get better as we experience them (the tools in general) and sitting in a PD session will not help in that area.    To truly understand and appreciate most 2.0 tools, we have to get in the sandbox and play, constructing meaning as we go.  Great post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conversation is a two way street. I wonder how many educators use blogs and wikis just to say thay are using blogs a wikis, regardless of the success? I felt daily like I was a failure at blogging, at first because no one seem to comment on it, and then because I never saw any of my posts go viral (and for me that would be five or more comments.)  It was some time later that I had the realization that I needed to interact with my commenters to make a post go viral by my own definition.  Of course people like Will Richardson, Clay Burrrell, and Dan Myer put my definition of viral to shame, but I did notice that these bloggers, all three of varying experience level in both education and blogging, were apt to return to their own post and join in the comments, even sometimes directing their comments to a specific commenter  using the &#8220;@&#8221; symbol.  Blogging as a conversation tool is also a learned art&#8211;one that I think you are very good at too.  But I also think we get better as we experience them (the tools in general) and sitting in a PD session will not help in that area.    To truly understand and appreciate most 2.0 tools, we have to get in the sandbox and play, constructing meaning as we go.  Great post!</p>
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